“This is supposed to be a neck pain. And, um, it's like something that would be moving and it's also like it has its spikes and sometimes it's, um, a bit, it's a bit stronger and sometimes, uh, you would barely notice it. So that's, um, uh, what represents the material, materiality of the different materials. Um, and yeah, I, I had this, um, during creating it, I thought I should have something that's more spiky than what was available. But also like what was available was helping to form this to form this idea what it should look like. Um, yeah, so I found this.”